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The Dark Side
#21
Could you gents compare F1 to WRC?  Or maybe MotoGP to Supercross?  Same sports, same basic machinery, but worlds apart.
You just can't compare MTB to the Darkside - chalk & cheese fellas!

I have a Darkside machine of dubious quality (about 1k's worth when new) & I love it.  Sure it's doesn't provide 30mph descents of a byway on BBH, but who wants to try 40mph down Boxley Hill on 23mm wide tyres at 120psi with caliper brakes operated by cables & carbon forks?  Not extreme enough?

I do a bit of time trialing during the season & use the "road bike" for transport to meetings as well as some structured training, both indoor & outdoor all year round.  As Steve has already pointed out the gearing is way higher on the road bike, but they are also much closer ratio.  I run 52/39 chainrings with a 23/13 9 speed cassette.  Compare that with the 22/32/44 chainrings fitted to most MTB's & the 34/12 cassette.
I honestly find it much easier to structure a road session than an off road one.  I also see a great improvment in my strength when I have been riding on the Darkside regulary, this translates to a leap in my off road climbing ability.

The two disciplines are just streets apart.  I know roadies who run reliabilty rides.  They ride over a set distance, anything up to 100miles, & have to specify how long it will take them before they start & some of them are very close indeed.  I don't know any mountain biker with that much knolwedge of his own riding, including semi pros.

Might interest you all to know that Lance Armstrong & many other "roadies" use MTB & Cyclocross for amusement.
Know any MTB pro's that ride on the darkside for fun?

As I said I ride both disicplines (badly) and find it impossible to compare the two at any worthwhile level.  Each has it's own pros & cons, but I think there are a few advantages that cross from the Dark into the light, I can't think of anything that is of benefit in the other direction.
Treehugger, you can try my Darkside machine if you like.
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#22
"Tinc" Wrote:Could you gents compare F1 to WRC?

Yup... could talk all day about them, how the technologies cross over, how the driving skills cross over and how both are too obscenely expensive for me to play with and therefore how much life can suck Big Grin
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#23
"Tinc" Wrote:As I said I ride both disicplines (badly) and find it impossible to compare the two at any worthwhile level.  Each has it's own pros & cons, but I think there are a few advantages that cross from the Dark into the light, I can't think of anything that is of benefit in the other direction.
Treehugger, you can try my Darkside machine if you like.


I agree that road riding can improve your mountain biking on a fitness level but thats about it....  i do not agree that mountain biking does nothing for your road riding...   i think you again from general bike handling skills and strength gains....   both have there place and i would encourage anyone to just get out and ride... be it road or mtb.....

Oh and errrr    i'm not sure i'd advise you to lend Andy any bike...   sorry Crazy Horse  err i mean Andy    :Smile
Mei securis turpe meus vox<br />            
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#24
There nowt wrong with road riding in the winter - but as mentioned, 20miles on the road, is nowhere near as exhausting as 20miles off-road.

I think road riding would be good for longer sustained work and overal fitness gains due to length of time spinning.

Road riding does not even compare when it comes down to brute legs strength and power needed - I think there was a report on BR how MTB'ers produce more watts of power in comparison.

Ive got no problem cycling either discipline, infact Im keeping my eye out for a cheap road bike for the winter months when off-roading its not always possible or pleasant.

May just rebuild my old HT with skinny slicks on or something.
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#25
(Worst thread ever)

Not sure if I could ride a road bike again as they are just too heavy, I mean 14.85lb without pedals ffs  Sad

http://www.lapierre-bikes.co.uk/lapierre...ifications   :K)
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#26
&quot;BMJBOY&quot; Wrote:There nowt wrong with road riding in the winter - but as mentioned, 20miles on the road, is nowhere near as exhausting as 20miles off-road.

That's interesting.  I tent to do it exactly the other way around.  My road bike hardly ever goes out in the winter as it's just too scary when it's slippery.  On top of that there's usually too much pain fun to be had in the woods in the winter. Undecided

Re your skinny MTB tyres Schwalbe do 26" 1.35 cyclocross tyres.  They are clinchers & you have to run them at about 70psi to avoid pinch flats, but do they make the bike lively!!!!

MBNUT - Warning noted  :o
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#27
Its only really down to the state the MTB (and you) gets in during the week if muddy during winter - weekends are fine for getting filthy.

But time and the evenings in winter do my head in with the amount cleaning of bike/clothes etc.

A road blast is cleaner on bike and rider while keeping you outside.
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#28
&quot;Tinc&quot; Wrote:That's interesting.  I tent to do it exactly the other way around.  My road bike hardly ever goes out in the winter as it's just too scary when it's slippery.  On top of that there's usually too much pain fun to be had in the woods in the winter. Undecided

Re your skinny MTB tyres Schwalbe do 26" 1.35 cyclocross tyres.  They are clinchers & you have to run them at about 70psi to avoid pinch flats, but do they make the bike lively!!!!

MBNUT - Warning noted  :o

Same as... road riding in the winter is dangerous....   and you simply wouldn't go out for a 10 mile road ride where as a 10 mile winter mud ride is a good workout... road sessions need to be longer....

Think i'm gonna maybe hardtail it in the winter but i think that every year.....
Mei securis turpe meus vox<br />            
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#29
Thats what cheap hardtails are designed for! Just clean the muck off the chain every couple of rides, rest of it clean whenever, I doubt the Zesty will be coming out much when its really muddy as its too much of a faff to clean it especially as I have to have it so clean I could eat my dinner off it plus when its soft/muddy, even old whingers like me dont mind riding HT's. I may even buy a cheap 2nd hand lightish thing, Boardman for example as the Inbred is a bit of a slog for XC
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#30
Like I say, got my old XTC HT here, will probably rebuild for some clattering fun times....
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